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		<title>By: Natural Family Planning &#187; Is Birth Control a Lightning Rod for Catholics?</title>
		<link>http://youngadultcatholics-blog.com/2009/02/20/lightening-rod-catholics-birth-control/#comment-1534</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Natural Family Planning &#187; Is Birth Control a Lightning Rod for Catholics?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8230;this blogger at Young Adult Catholics (little bit of a misnomer, since they reject many of the Churches teachings outright) seems to think it&#8217;s not. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: nfpworks</title>
		<link>http://youngadultcatholics-blog.com/2009/02/20/lightening-rod-catholics-birth-control/#comment-1436</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Thatmarriedcouple that celibates *are* important. There are several comments above stating something to the effect that  celebates have no say in the matter of marriage because &quot;they don&#039;t have sex.&quot; This illustrates an incomplete understanding of what celibacy is. When I was discerning my vocation I read Thomas Dubay&#039;s &quot;And you are Christ&#039;s,&quot; which speaks of the charism of virginity, a spiritual term for consecrated celibacy. I would highly encourage all to read it, because it explains how the consecrated life isn&#039;t just &quot;giving up sex&quot; (or any other worldly thing for that matter), but it&#039;s about marriage, self-gift, and ultimately about what you gain--not what you give up. It&#039;s brilliant and a quick read.

Further, it&#039;s noted that celibates don&#039;t have sex. On the contrary, CELIBATES DO HAVE SEX. They all have it all the time! (It should be noted that sex was used as a noun far longer than the recent developments in using it as a verb nearly exclusively.) Sex isn&#039;t just about the verb meaning &quot;to do it&quot;, but it&#039;s about a person&#039;s femininity and masculinity, how they live, give and serve in their life. John Paul II writes all about what he called &quot;The Feminine Genius&quot; in his letters, especially his Letter to Women &amp; in Mulieris Dignitatum. Thus, consecrated men and women, brothers and sisters, and priests, have sexuality, though there&#039;s is directed, some say subliminated, for another purpose to foreshadow how it will be in heaven. 

Further, as we learn in one aspect of the Theology of the Body, consecrated vocations are a spiritual compliment to those who are called to marriage, and their sexuality (and entire person, body mind and soul) are important to married life in the Church. Saying that &quot;celibates have no say&quot; is missing the point that 1) Two of the holiest people in history, one being divine, were celibates: Our Lord &amp; His Mother, and 2) You don&#039;t have to be married and sexually active to speak truth about sexuality. That&#039;s like saying a man can&#039;t be a good OB/GYN because he doesn&#039;t have a vagina!

For more on celibacy: http://www.christopherwest.com/page.asp?ContentID=128]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Thatmarriedcouple that celibates *are* important. There are several comments above stating something to the effect that  celebates have no say in the matter of marriage because &#8220;they don&#8217;t have sex.&#8221; This illustrates an incomplete understanding of what celibacy is. When I was discerning my vocation I read Thomas Dubay&#8217;s &#8220;And you are Christ&#8217;s,&#8221; which speaks of the charism of virginity, a spiritual term for consecrated celibacy. I would highly encourage all to read it, because it explains how the consecrated life isn&#8217;t just &#8220;giving up sex&#8221; (or any other worldly thing for that matter), but it&#8217;s about marriage, self-gift, and ultimately about what you gain&#8211;not what you give up. It&#8217;s brilliant and a quick read.</p>
<p>Further, it&#8217;s noted that celibates don&#8217;t have sex. On the contrary, CELIBATES DO HAVE SEX. They all have it all the time! (It should be noted that sex was used as a noun far longer than the recent developments in using it as a verb nearly exclusively.) Sex isn&#8217;t just about the verb meaning &#8220;to do it&#8221;, but it&#8217;s about a person&#8217;s femininity and masculinity, how they live, give and serve in their life. John Paul II writes all about what he called &#8220;The Feminine Genius&#8221; in his letters, especially his Letter to Women &amp; in Mulieris Dignitatum. Thus, consecrated men and women, brothers and sisters, and priests, have sexuality, though there&#8217;s is directed, some say subliminated, for another purpose to foreshadow how it will be in heaven. </p>
<p>Further, as we learn in one aspect of the Theology of the Body, consecrated vocations are a spiritual compliment to those who are called to marriage, and their sexuality (and entire person, body mind and soul) are important to married life in the Church. Saying that &#8220;celibates have no say&#8221; is missing the point that 1) Two of the holiest people in history, one being divine, were celibates: Our Lord &amp; His Mother, and 2) You don&#8217;t have to be married and sexually active to speak truth about sexuality. That&#8217;s like saying a man can&#8217;t be a good OB/GYN because he doesn&#8217;t have a vagina!</p>
<p>For more on celibacy: <a href="http://www.christopherwest.com/page.asp?ContentID=128" rel="nofollow">http://www.christopherwest.com/page.asp?ContentID=128</a></p>
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		<title>By: smeej</title>
		<link>http://youngadultcatholics-blog.com/2009/02/20/lightening-rod-catholics-birth-control/#comment-1432</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[smeej]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Zeeehjee,

I don&#039;t really have anything to add to your comment.  I just wanted to tell you I&#039;ll be praying for your discernment process.  You cathechize beautifully.  I don&#039;t think anyone could read your post and feel threatened or attacked.  You explain exactly why you believe what you believe in a clear, concise, personal manner, and that&#039;s something of a rarity these days, especially in internet comment boxes.

Thank you for your gifts and your desire to use them in service of the Church.  No matter what vocation God has given you, your sincerity and faithful pursuit of His will will make it a beautiful cooperation!

God bless you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zeeehjee,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really have anything to add to your comment.  I just wanted to tell you I&#8217;ll be praying for your discernment process.  You cathechize beautifully.  I don&#8217;t think anyone could read your post and feel threatened or attacked.  You explain exactly why you believe what you believe in a clear, concise, personal manner, and that&#8217;s something of a rarity these days, especially in internet comment boxes.</p>
<p>Thank you for your gifts and your desire to use them in service of the Church.  No matter what vocation God has given you, your sincerity and faithful pursuit of His will will make it a beautiful cooperation!</p>
<p>God bless you!</p>
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		<title>By: thatmarriedcouple</title>
		<link>http://youngadultcatholics-blog.com/2009/02/20/lightening-rod-catholics-birth-control/#comment-1430</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not so sure that young Catholics do think that much about their forms of family planning. Granted, many do! But I know many who just completely ignore Church teaching and go straight for the pill. That&#039;s not a new thing - our parents generation did the same.

I think in order to be able to say you&#039;ve truly carefully considered it, you have to have done some reading on the subjects (Theology of the Body is a bit much, but there are tons of study guides for it; Humanae Vitae is fairly short and quite prophetic; Christopher West has several books; Janet Smith&#039;s talks and articles are right on). You have to know &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; the Church says its a sin before you decide you can just ignore that teaching. And I think once people truly understand the why, they understand that NFP is different from just contracepting, and they want and need to embrace it. 

Also, I think celibates are important to this issue. People don&#039;t want to use natural methods of family planning because they think going without sex for one week each month is too hard; society has convinced us that its impossible and even abnormal. Yes, it is hard, there&#039;s no denying that! But it&#039;s worth it. And when you see that some people are not just giving this up for 8 days a month, but for their entire lives, that helps them to realize that maybe it is possible.

Oh, and overpopulation is a myth. Check out the video at http://overpopulationisamyth.com/overpopulation-the-making-of-a-myth]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure that young Catholics do think that much about their forms of family planning. Granted, many do! But I know many who just completely ignore Church teaching and go straight for the pill. That&#8217;s not a new thing &#8211; our parents generation did the same.</p>
<p>I think in order to be able to say you&#8217;ve truly carefully considered it, you have to have done some reading on the subjects (Theology of the Body is a bit much, but there are tons of study guides for it; Humanae Vitae is fairly short and quite prophetic; Christopher West has several books; Janet Smith&#8217;s talks and articles are right on). You have to know <i>why</i> the Church says its a sin before you decide you can just ignore that teaching. And I think once people truly understand the why, they understand that NFP is different from just contracepting, and they want and need to embrace it. </p>
<p>Also, I think celibates are important to this issue. People don&#8217;t want to use natural methods of family planning because they think going without sex for one week each month is too hard; society has convinced us that its impossible and even abnormal. Yes, it is hard, there&#8217;s no denying that! But it&#8217;s worth it. And when you see that some people are not just giving this up for 8 days a month, but for their entire lives, that helps them to realize that maybe it is possible.</p>
<p>Oh, and overpopulation is a myth. Check out the video at <a href="http://overpopulationisamyth.com/overpopulation-the-making-of-a-myth" rel="nofollow">http://overpopulationisamyth.com/overpopulation-the-making-of-a-myth</a></p>
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		<title>By: sjdemoor85</title>
		<link>http://youngadultcatholics-blog.com/2009/02/20/lightening-rod-catholics-birth-control/#comment-1429</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a website that promotes progressive forward thinking for 20-30 year old Catholics, I invite you to think forward to Dr. Janet Smith&#039;s take on contraception and natural family planning. This link will take you to her website where you can listen for free to a lecture by Dr. Smith explaining her take on the contraception/natural family planning debate. Give it a thorough listen.

http://www.janetsmith.excerptsofinri.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a website that promotes progressive forward thinking for 20-30 year old Catholics, I invite you to think forward to Dr. Janet Smith&#8217;s take on contraception and natural family planning. This link will take you to her website where you can listen for free to a lecture by Dr. Smith explaining her take on the contraception/natural family planning debate. Give it a thorough listen.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.janetsmith.excerptsofinri.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.janetsmith.excerptsofinri.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jocelynstorm</title>
		<link>http://youngadultcatholics-blog.com/2009/02/20/lightening-rod-catholics-birth-control/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jocelynstorm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just an other FYI.  The pill doesn&#039;t cure anything.  Whatever symptom or condition it is prescribed for will resume once you quit taking it.  There is always a better course of treatment than taking the pill.  You just wont always, ok almost never, hear about these alternatives from a medical doctor.  Great alternatives can be found at: http://www.popepaulvi.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an other FYI.  The pill doesn&#8217;t cure anything.  Whatever symptom or condition it is prescribed for will resume once you quit taking it.  There is always a better course of treatment than taking the pill.  You just wont always, ok almost never, hear about these alternatives from a medical doctor.  Great alternatives can be found at: <a href="http://www.popepaulvi.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.popepaulvi.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: agapeflower</title>
		<link>http://youngadultcatholics-blog.com/2009/02/20/lightening-rod-catholics-birth-control/#comment-1260</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[agapeflower]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey!

Great article - stumbled upon the site tonight and am really excited about it.  I&#039;m a faithful Catholic and a FAM user as well, and it&#039;s worked for my husband and I for over a year.  It&#039;s good to know there are other Catholics out there who use it - and not the full NFP.

I absolutely think that birth control is a conversation many faithful young adults are having with themselves; and it&#039;s also an issue that, quite honestly, is never black and white.  Thanks for keeping the conversation going!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!</p>
<p>Great article &#8211; stumbled upon the site tonight and am really excited about it.  I&#8217;m a faithful Catholic and a FAM user as well, and it&#8217;s worked for my husband and I for over a year.  It&#8217;s good to know there are other Catholics out there who use it &#8211; and not the full NFP.</p>
<p>I absolutely think that birth control is a conversation many faithful young adults are having with themselves; and it&#8217;s also an issue that, quite honestly, is never black and white.  Thanks for keeping the conversation going!</p>
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		<title>By: nfpworks</title>
		<link>http://youngadultcatholics-blog.com/2009/02/20/lightening-rod-catholics-birth-control/#comment-1178</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 23:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rock on, Julia. I think if more people understood how sacred sex was and how harmful contraception is, they&#039;d sign up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rock on, Julia. I think if more people understood how sacred sex was and how harmful contraception is, they&#8217;d sign up.</p>
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		<title>By: Lacey Louwagie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lacey Louwagie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zeeehjee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zeeehjee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the response, Becky.

I disagree with your interpretation of the Principle of Double Effect and here is why...

The PDE has 4 main parts that all must be met to have a morally appropriate act.

1) The act itself must be good or morally neutral - 
That is no doubt the case with a married woman using the pill for medical reasons.

2) The intention of the actor must be for the good effect - 
That can be the case (although not guaranteed) and I&#039;ll assume that it is in your situation.

3) The good effect does not come as a direct result of the bad effect - 
This is also true in the case of a married woman using the pill for health benefits.

But its the fourth one that creates the problem...

4)The good effect is proportionate to the bad effect-
This isn&#039;t the case with a married woman using the pill, since the pill *can* lead to the destruction of an embryo, a human life.  That is disproportionate to treating a non-life threatening ailment.

But again, I would suggest to anyone reading this that there is better news that is irrelevant to the Church&#039;s teaching... there is (in the vast majority of cases) a treatment for your ailment that is better than using the pill, because the pill typically only treats symptoms.  Visit the link in my above post and talk to a doctor who is willing to treat your ailment rather than just giving you something to quell your symptoms.

Also, I had another comment as well and it is still awaiting moderation.  What&#039;s the deal?

God Bless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response, Becky.</p>
<p>I disagree with your interpretation of the Principle of Double Effect and here is why&#8230;</p>
<p>The PDE has 4 main parts that all must be met to have a morally appropriate act.</p>
<p>1) The act itself must be good or morally neutral &#8211;<br />
That is no doubt the case with a married woman using the pill for medical reasons.</p>
<p>2) The intention of the actor must be for the good effect &#8211;<br />
That can be the case (although not guaranteed) and I&#8217;ll assume that it is in your situation.</p>
<p>3) The good effect does not come as a direct result of the bad effect &#8211;<br />
This is also true in the case of a married woman using the pill for health benefits.</p>
<p>But its the fourth one that creates the problem&#8230;</p>
<p>4)The good effect is proportionate to the bad effect-<br />
This isn&#8217;t the case with a married woman using the pill, since the pill *can* lead to the destruction of an embryo, a human life.  That is disproportionate to treating a non-life threatening ailment.</p>
<p>But again, I would suggest to anyone reading this that there is better news that is irrelevant to the Church&#8217;s teaching&#8230; there is (in the vast majority of cases) a treatment for your ailment that is better than using the pill, because the pill typically only treats symptoms.  Visit the link in my above post and talk to a doctor who is willing to treat your ailment rather than just giving you something to quell your symptoms.</p>
<p>Also, I had another comment as well and it is still awaiting moderation.  What&#8217;s the deal?</p>
<p>God Bless.</p>
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